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seems easier without the stupid ass destroyers but I think maybe I'm not doing so well cause I had stella in the phase 3 machine both unawakened so pretty horrid hp and defense. Shes dead in the first 20 seconds even though she seems to be the best candidate for the thing having just about average for all stats. The only other technique type girl I have with any skill upgrades is the red head with her aoe does does more dmg with full hp guess I should try putting her in one of those stealth machines so that full hp part might actually happen unless that results in her death because she got that ultra high attack power but no hp or defense similar to lise.

It feels like to me these laser beta have more defense than the lasers from the last event and they spread them all out over this huge map so I lose time killing them. Its like they're the real bosses and the Big boss is just there as a distraction.

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1 hour ago, Marcus said:

seems easier without the stupid ass destroyers but I think maybe I'm not doing so well cause I had stella in the phase 3 machine both unawakened so pretty horrid hp and defense. Shes dead in the first 20 seconds even though she seems to be the best candidate for the thing having just about average for all stats. The only other technique type girl I have with any skill upgrades is the red head with her aoe does does more dmg with full hp guess I should try putting her in one of those stealth machines so that full hp part might actually happen unless that results in her death because she got that ultra high attack power but no hp or defense similar to lise.

It feels like to me these laser beta have more defense than the lasers from the last event and they spread them all out over this huge map so I lose time killing them. Its like they're the real bosses and the Big boss is just there as a distraction.

you need rail cannon characters :)

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On 10/14/2017 at 7:05 PM, Marcus said:

the rate isnt a solid 4% it goes up for however many R/SR fodder were taken out of box and I wasn't expecting 4/100 if it were a solid 4% chance I was basically expecting it to not take 300 to get 4 which is a better comparison to what I did taking about 38 to finally see any SSR

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<shrug> My point is, whatever the rate is supposed to be, there is no reason on Earth you couldn't expect to go a thousand rolls and not hit (unless the rate is 100%).  Even pseudo-random number generators are that decent.  Just because the odds on a coin flip are 50% doesn't mean that you're going to get two heads in four tosses....

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1 hour ago, rlranft said:

<shrug> My point is, whatever the rate is supposed to be, there is no reason on Earth you couldn't expect to go a thousand rolls and not hit (unless the rate is 100%).  Even pseudo-random number generators are that decent.  Just because the odds on a coin flip are 50% doesn't mean that you're going to get two heads in four tosses....

I dont even remember what my point here was but I can only say I got cheated I refuse to believe the gacha % are under any kind of decent random number generator program if thats even what they use (no idea) they just wanted to force me to spend more money. I'm sure the likelihood of having to clear that box for both SSR is some stupidly small decimal that I neither know how to or care to calculate. What kind of redundancy would it be to roll gacha and always expect massive failure?

I really think they manipulate the chances just enough to shaft certain people but not enough to raise suspicion that japanese people bother to complain which has actually happen to some other games before. Rich whales will just spam more yen and not think twice because they can always afford to do so, so I imagine some scummy behavior from the gacha goes undetected.

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So after an extremely long leave of absence from this game and it's horrid p2w style, what's changed since i left months ago?

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20 minutes ago, Marcus said:

I dont even remember what my point here was but I can only say I got cheated I refuse to believe the gacha % are under any kind of decent random number generator program if thats even what they use (no idea) <snip>

I really think they manipulate the chances just enough to shaft certain people but not enough to raise suspicion that japanese people bother to complain which has actually happen to some other games before. Rich whales will just spam more yen and not think twice because they can always afford to do so, so I imagine some scummy behavior from the gacha goes undetected.

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I guarantee they're using an automated RNG - I am certain there isn't some old lady picking numbers by hand.

I can't speak to whether or not they're cheating, but I can say that odds and outcomes don't always match up.  That's why it's called a game of chance.  Of course, if they're actually cheating it's even worse.

Personally, I don't gamble (that's what this is, by the way).  I work in the gaming industry (as in slot machines, not "real" video games) and I know the mathematicians behind this stuff - they set it up to be crappy from the get-go.  Head on out to Vegas where there are casinos that advertise 99.99% payout and I can pretty much guarantee you'll go home broke.  Math is inexorable and unsympathetic.

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16 hours ago, Kashiwagi said:


So after an extremely long leave of absence from this game and it's horrid p2w style, what's changed since i left months ago?

there was a big payout event and then it was back to pure p2w?

i guess that is about it. Or semi-p2w if you had already picked up what is needed previously.

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Friendly reminder, gacha rates are lies.

Want to get ultra scammed, try GBF's way, where you sued the company after you spent millions of real cash and still not getting those. Probably they'll make the rate and results better.

This gacha currently my 2nd shittiest gacha afyer uchihime (with could give you results with no SR and ups at all) this shit still gives you one sR minimum.

 

Sitrep.

Points already around 2,3mil, already spent on the first kagerou and ssr ticket.

Ssr ticket gave me yet another early Raptor, like what the fuck.

Wasted another 50gems with only 00c sr, tfw no sr haruko, and i ended up with literally zero crystals.

 

Good news is, i finally got gekishin from the drops, furthermore, i got two of it and both of them from the same run

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Got 4 SR Eagles but still zero SSR Gekishin. With characters specifically boosting the drop, I'm guessing the rate's even lower than "normal". I hope I could at least get one.

XM3'ed an F-15E & when it achieves the full 150% passive speed boost, it actually can't control itself & often aadpasses through the target making its attack totally miss in the wrong direction. Quite amusing.

 

Finally finished all the Main missions & unlocked every story so far, thanks cheap AP. Would have taken me way, waaaay longer if it was as normal. (this game's Anniversary came & went & I wasn't even halfway back then)

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well thats interesting just realized the New Yui and Tarisa are permanent additions in the gacha now.

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It seems like this purple hair rail gun girl has some really bad accuracy or something. Typically the helpers I use have ~50k attack and some sort of SSR rifle machine often that event one with the passive 80% dmg boost but somehow the one helper that uses missiles with a SR machine and 38k attack instant kills the boss. The ones in the rifle machines look like they hit but maybe its all been in my head and the only dmg I'm seeing is basic attack hits because it dies alot slower compared to anyone with missiles.

I think they need to just give up if they cant make an ai fire a giant 3-4 cell wide cannon at a huge target reliably, and add in player control for aiming these attacks because this is kind of retarded.

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Sitrep

 

yes i agree with @Reis that the drop here is lower than usual, i guess this is one of those shittiest one like Aligatori drop event back then (the earliest) and even shittier than Kyoko's even though the point itself was generous enough (at least better compared to previous event), so far i already got 5.182.298 points, with only 2 Gekishin that i got them in one run, got 2 directly, and none after that, i think i got them when i was around 2 million points, and got only 3 Kagerou from drop plus 1 from shop, yes, this drop rate is horrible.

 

Havent check the japanese community's reactions about this

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hmm I think maybe its not misses its just that the rifle only hits 100k once which is about 1000% dmg like her skill says but when the barrage of missiles fire each missile does 100k and pushes the bosses body into multiple hits so that's why its dying instantly with a missile equipped helper even if its only SR machine. Yeah... missiles are just OP no point equipping anything else except against the destroyers using swords was good so I wouldn't splash dmg them and set them off on their little rampages.

 

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Just a heads up.

There will be Halloween event on the 27th which will give out an SSR selection ticket that you can select from a pool of past SSR. I am not sure what is in the pool but Irisdina, Haruka, and hayase are definitely on it.

i am also betting that a new Halloween chara only gacha will be available to keep selling the halloween cards. these halloween charas also gets event item boosts for the event.

Happy farming day :)

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1 minute ago, Edelweiss said:

Just a heads up.

There will be Halloween event on the 27th which will give out an SSR selection ticket that you can select from a pool of past SSR. I am not sure what is in the pool but Irisdina, Haruka, and hayase are definitely on it.

i am also betting that a new Halloween chara only gacha will be available to keep selling the halloween cards. these halloween charas also gets event item boosts for the event.

Happy farming day :)

free ssr selection ticket?!

RIP my 10000 yen spent for last exchange ticket :(

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47 minutes ago, Edelweiss said:

Just a heads up.

There will be Halloween event on the 27th which will give out an SSR selection ticket that you can select from a pool of past SSR. I am not sure what is in the pool but Irisdina, Haruka, and hayase are definitely on it.

i am also betting that a new Halloween chara only gacha will be available to keep selling the halloween cards. these halloween charas also gets event item boosts for the event.

Happy farming day :)

Kyoko on that ticket please

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@Edelweiss Thanks for the confirmation info.

Although from the SSR pics they used, I'm guessing the ticket/s might just be past events SSRs. I hope I'm wrong & they feel sightly more generous but, well...

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if its only event characters I think id go with the aoe dmg +heal I missed during the summer if not then someone really hard hitting for speed maybe thats the type of character I'm lacking the most

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It shows 3 ticket in the image pumpkin,  ghost and candy are they gonna be the free SSR tickets if so does that mean each one has different units in it. or are they for something entirely different?

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I'm kind of skeptical about this game giving us selectable tickets for free with all this scam pay only gacha they've been doing recently nothing with crystals.

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Well, reminder SSRs are practically worthless, i mean, i have almost more SSR than SR in my account, so giving free selectable tickets for free, why not?

 

@haloff1 help me to read this kanji runes :')))
 

btw, it seems we need to have those halloween limited chara to get the drops, am i right?

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3 hours ago, Marcus said:

I'm kind of skeptical about this game giving us selectable tickets for free with all this scam pay only gacha they've been doing recently nothing with crystals.

It clearly reads "only obtainable here, 1 renewal SSR selection ticket can be obtained via exchange"

although you still have to farm like mad for halloween tickets which u roll the slot machine and hopefully you will get the SSR ticket lols.

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24 minutes ago, Edelweiss said:

It clearly reads "only obtainable here, 1 renewal SSR selection ticket can be obtained via exchange"

although you still have to farm like mad for halloween tickets which u roll the slot machine and hopefully you will get the SSR ticket lols.

is this gonna be a slot machine event? really?

how about the halloween chara at the top, is it a requirement?

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SO next event is a slot machine? Well these tend to be either a very very bad and tedious to get anything of value or uncanny generous.

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5 hours ago, Nexiva said:

Well, reminder SSRs are practically worthless, i mean, i have almost more SSR than SR in my account, so giving free selectable tickets for free, why not?

 

@haloff1 help me to read this kanji runes :')))
 

btw, it seems we need to have those halloween limited chara to get the drops, am i right?

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  • From 10/27 to 10/31, there will be some special limited Halloween quests.
  • By clearing the quests you will get Halloween tickets.
  • Having Halloween characters add a bonus but it is not written what exactly they do (probably increase the drop rate)
  • You can use the tickets for a slot machine or something like that. You can get items and even maybe a SSR exchange ticket.
  • The SSR you can get with the ticket are old SSRs.
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