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When we find out information we'll get it out to you immediately as @Suffolk stated.

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4 hours ago, Hirei said:

When we find out information we'll get it out to you immediately as @Suffolk stated.

Can we barrow a time machine and just bring back the finished product? 

I swear it won't be a paradox or anything. 

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forums are bugging out on me again it seems -_- it won't let me fix my typos

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7 hours ago, Dergonu said:

It's the fact that I want the game the way it is meant to be, not a censored version, no matter how trivial the actual cut content is.

If you really want this, you would be questioning if R-18 scenes were there to begin with because the developers wanted to include them, or if they were included for the sake of the stigma visual novels have as a porn product. Did they include erotica because it was always part of the core vision, or were they included for the sake of getting that juicy otaku load like most of the rest VN industry? We'll never know for sure, as you can bet your ass âge/ixtl will give you a PR answer rather than a straight one. If you want to be exact, Muv-Luv and Alternative were supposed to be one product instead of two.

Let's be fair, you'll never see Muv-Luv as the way it was meant to be. While I do support consumer having the power to dictate elements on a product, it is the core company that ultimately dictates this. You can compare all All-Ages versions to George Lucas' Star Wars edits, where the version he always meant to make are supposedly found in the Special Editions. Very rarely, if ever, a product is released as it was meant to be. All-Ages versions are ultimately sister versions to R-18, and in the end it's the sales that tell what version the consumers prefer.

 

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Yeah, just be the nature of reading it in English, we'll never see Muv Luv as it was meant to be. Still.

 

While I agree with not liking cut content,  all they cut here was some really awkward porn scenes.  Obviously it's good on them to be releasing a patch for people who want them, and while I'd probably install the patch myself upon release, I definitely do not thing it's crucial to the Muv Luv Experience.  Removing them wouldn't change anything...though I hope they replaced the scenes with perhaps some heavy petting, or just 'implied" sex, as it makes the characters seem more mature.

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2 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

Yeah, just be the nature of reading it in English, we'll never see Muv Luv as it was meant to be.

Neither will the Japanese.

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3 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

I hope they replaced the scenes with perhaps some heavy petting, or just 'implied" sex, as it makes the characters seem more mature.

If I'm not mistaken I think they just skipped the scenes without anything in its place. But that's just what I read on 4chan once so I'm not sure.

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@Hirei

EDIT: Seems this isn't really the same issue. Since I haven't played the games yet, I wasn't aware. :P

 

do you guys know yet if this patch will contain all the original content, gore and H? Or will parts of the 18+ patch also be changed because of the fact that this is a port?

 

I heard some people talk about twizzlers and chomp or something. I have no clue what that means, but I'm assuming they are refering to parts in the game that might be controversial.

tl;dr do you guys know yet if the patch will contain everything in it's original state?

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5 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

@Hirei do you guys know yet if this patch will contain all the original content, gore and H? Or will parts of the 18+ patch also be changed because of the fact that this is a port?

 

I heard some people talk about twizzlers and chomp or something. I have no clue what that means, but I'm assuming they are refering to parts in the game that might be controversial.

tl;dr do you guys know yet if the patch will contain everything in it's original state?

"chomp" refers to a scene that causes a chain reaction in the series. Unless you see the chomp scene as it was intended, you will not understand the scenes that come after it nor why everyone is acting the way their acting. Simply put, the scene has an extremely high probability of immersing the reader even further into the series and making them attached to the characters and world.Same with twizzlers but to a lesser extent. Hell, without chomp Alternative would have been a "above meh" experience.

There isn't any gore until Alternative (and only for 1 scene really). And I think they said the patch is only for the porn content.

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Just now, David said:

"chomp" refers to a scene that causes a chain reaction in the series. Unless you see the chomp scene as it was intended, you will not understand the scenes that come after it nor why everyone is acting the way their acting. Simply put, the scene has an extremely high probability of immersing the reader even further into the series and making them attached to the characters and world.Same with twizzlers but to a lesser extent. Hell, without chomp Alternative would have been a "above meh" experience.

There isn't any gore until Alternative (and only for 1 scene really). And I think they said the patch is only for the porn content.

I see.

So these scenes we are talking about, are they in the current version of the game already? (If so, is there any censorship in them at all?)

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@Dergonu twizzlers & chomp are for alternative only.

The only current censorship is for the pornography. There's nothing else to censor (at least I can't think of anything major) in Extra/Unlimited. Well I would argue that the lacrosse arc needs to be censored, but that's just me.

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1 minute ago, David said:

@Dergonu twizzlers & chomp are for alternative only.

The only current censorship is for the pornography. There's nothing else to censor (at least I can't think of anything major) in Extra/Unlimited. Well I would argue that the lacrosse arc needs to be censored, but that's just me.

Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up.

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3 hours ago, Dergonu said:

tl;dr do you guys know yet if the patch will contain everything in it's original state?

We're getting gore regardless the patch is only relevant for porn which makes up not even 1% of the visual novels.

Tl;dr it's not important aside from twizzlers.

Also the Lacrosse arc was an inside joke most like to throw a punch that it needs removed. But i would argue it's important regardless of how boring it can be. I think a cutscene or this arc having an anime adaptation however would completely remedy this.

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14 minutes ago, StormVanguard said:

Also the Lacrosse arc was an inside joke most like to throw a punch that it needs removed. But i would argue it's important regardless of how boring it can be. I think a cutscene or this arc having an anime adaptation however would completely remedy this.

I dunno about other people but I'm 100% serious when i say to get rid of lacrosse. I almost dropped MuvLuv entirely (3 or 4) times because of how much i disliked the arc (and almost missed out on unl and alt as a result). My recommendation to new people is to skip through the arc if it gets too boring.

And you might be the first person person i saw who views the lacrosse arc as important. Are you talking about how it was used to diverge into two different routes or am i forgetting something?

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I barely remember the Arc, but I don't remember every thinking of dropping Muv Luv. Well, except once I made it past Sumika & Meiyas routes. The other girls routes were as generic as can be. Lacrosse didn't factor into it.

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29 minutes ago, David said:

I dunno about other people but I'm 100% serious when i say to get rid of lacrosse. I almost dropped MuvLuv entirely (3 or 4) times because of how much i disliked the arc (and almost missed out on unl and alt as a result). My recommendation to new people is to skip through the arc if it gets too boring.

And you might be the first person person i saw who views the lacrosse arc as important. Are talking about how it was used to diverge into two different routes or am i forgetting something?

I don't think any of us were enthused even reading the Lacrosse arc the first time.

There's a couple cool factors about lacross actually specifically regarding foreshadowing.

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#1 the formation itself is clearly foreshadowing the formation of Special Task Force A-01.

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#2 Lacrosse and the lead up to lacrosse itself is clearly foreshadowing the training match in Unlimited and the lead up to said training match

Takeru's development is also much needed to prove to the readers he has a mature side that can can be summoned when the time calls for it. I think everyone can admit there was at least some part of us that enjoyed the moments Takeru took the reigns as manager and also provided an effective pep talk.

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9 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

Yeah, just be the nature of reading it in English, we'll never see Muv Luv as it was meant to be.

Time to get out that Google translate phone app and scan every line of the official and uncut Japanese version.

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12 minutes ago, Messiah said:

Time to get out that Google translate phone app and scan every line of the official and uncut Japanese version.

You are better off just getting the fan translation at that point hah.. The google translate is going to be much worse then that.

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I know he's being sarcastic and all, but I only made that comment because many times on VN communities and websites, many people said that the translated VN and the original will be very different regardless of translation quality, just due to the differences in languages. i.e, atmosphere and character personalities will be changed to suit.  I myself can't read or understand Japanese and I have no desire to learn honestly, it's just what people have told me often. Maybe it's just blowing smoke up their asses, but it's always stuck with me.

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14 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

I know he's being sarcastic and all, but I only made that comment because many times on VN communities and websites, many people said that the translated VN and the original will be very different regardless of translation quality, just due to the differences in languages. i.e, atmosphere and character personalities will be changed to suit.  I myself can't read or understand Japanese and I have no desire to learn honestly, it's just what people have told me often. Maybe it's just blowing smoke up their asses, but it's always stuck with me.

You will always get a bit of a different impression when reading VNs in Japanese, yes. It's very hard to bring over the personality of every Japanese character, because of certain small things like accents, speech patterns and so on that you don't really see in the English language. Things like honorifics and titles is not really found in English, so that too becomes difficult to fully bring over. The difference is rarely huge though, and you can still hear the character's tone of voice and such in games with voice acting. Even if you don't speak Japanese, a character shouting at the top of their lungs is a universally understood form of communication. :P

 

Personally I prefer reading in English over Japanese if the option is there though, (hence why I'm here, waiting for the translated 18+ version of Muv-Luv, instead of just buying the Japanese original game.)

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On 7/18/2016 at 11:38 AM, Mkilbride said:

Yeah, just be the nature of reading it in English, we'll never see Muv Luv as it was meant to be. Still.

 

While I agree with not liking cut content,  all they cut here was some really awkward porn scenes.  Obviously it's good on them to be releasing a patch for people who want them, and while I'd probably install the patch myself upon release, I definitely do not thing it's crucial to the Muv Luv Experience.  Removing them wouldn't change anything...though I hope they replaced the scenes with perhaps some heavy petting, or just 'implied" sex, as it makes the characters seem more mature.

Speak for yourself, I want my meiya oppais and kouzuki nipples ¬3¬

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Don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but is there any chance the 18+ patch would be uncensored? I mean I know some devs keep around uncensored masters of ero CGs as it's not illegal to and MangaGamer releases their games uncensored.

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2 minutes ago, IAmAHero said:

Don't know if this is a dumb question or not, but is there any chance the 18+ patch would be uncensored? I mean I know some devs keep around uncensored masters of ero CGs as it's not illegal to and MangaGamer releases their games uncensored.

If I remember correctly, it's uncensored because it's a western localization so japan's censorship laws don't apply outside of their country

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1 minute ago, Rengo said:

If I remember correctly, it's uncensored because it's a western localization so japan's censorship laws don't apply outside of their country

I know that, that's why I'm asking would it be possible if our 18+ patch is uncensored as it's intended for use outside of Japan.

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Just now, IAmAHero said:

I know that, that's why I'm asking would it be possible if our 18+ patch is uncensored as it's intended for use outside of Japan.

I apologize for not being specific, when I said uncensored I meant a 18+ uncensored patch, including gore and sexual content in the game. So yes, the patch is supposed to deliver all of the 18+ content you're expecting 

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I think what he's asking for is...in the Japanese release, genitals are pixelated - because of Japanese censorship laws. He's asking if in this release, will they be uncensored. i.e, you can see the vajayjays and ponos and not have them be blurry.

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